Reformed Churchmen

We are Protestant, Calvinistic and Reformed Prayer Book Churchmen and Churchwomen. In 2012, we remembered the 350th anniversary of the 1662 Book of Common Prayer; in 2012, we also remembered the 450th anniversary of Mr. (Bp., Salisbury) John Jewel's sober, scholarly, Protestant, and Reformed defense An Apology of the Church of England. In 2013, we remember the publication of the "Heidelberg Catechism" and the influence of Reformed theologians in England, including Heinrich Bullinger's Decades. You will not hear these things in modern outlets for Anglican advertisement. Confessional Churchmen keep the "lights burning in the darkness." Although Post-Anglicans with sorrow (and contempt for many, especially the leaders), we maintain learning, faith, hope and reading. Mr. (Rev. Dr. Prof.) James Packer quipped and applied this specific song for muddler-Manglicans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGyPuey-1Jw. Our book of the month, July 2014 is the Rev. Dr. Wayne Pearce's "John Spottiswoode: Jacobean Archbishop and Statesman" at: http://www.lulu.com/shop/a-s-wayne-pearce/john-spottiswoode-jacobean-archbishop-and-statesman/paperback/product-21652023.html. Also, our book of the month for Aug 2014 is Mr. Underhile's "The Church's Favorite Flower: A Patristic Study of the Doctrines of Grace," a handy little volume at: http://www.amazon.com/The-Churchs-Favorite-Flower-Patristic-ebook/dp/B00KUCITIS/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1403315865&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=andy+underhile. We've added Mr. Underhile's anti-Marcionite and Reformed "Comfort in Chaos: A Study in Nahum" as the book of the month for September 2014 at: http://www.amazon.com/Comfort-Chaos-Study-Preserves-People-ebook/dp/B00KQX8JBI/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1407621661&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=andy+underhile+nahum. We're still Prayer Book Churchmen, but we have "articles of faith" paid for by blood.

Saturday, August 30, 2014

Executive Summary of/Response to Osteenology & Osteenism

30 August 1738 A.D. Rev. John Craig Licensed (Presbyterian): "Hewn Stones & Dornacks"


30 August 1738 A.D.  Rev. John Craig Licensed (Presbyterian): "Hewn Stones & Dornacks"

Archivist. “August 30: Rev. John Craig [1710-1774].”  This Day in Presbyterian History. 30 Aug 2014.  http://www.thisday.pcahistory.org/2014/08/august-30/.  Accessed 30 Aug 2014.

August 30: Rev. John Craig [1710-1774]


Hewn Stones and Dornacks.

Our post today is drawn from the History of the Presbyterian Church in America, by Richard Webster (1857) and edited for length.

John Craig was born in Ireland, September 21, 1710, but educated in America. He appeared before Donegal Presbytery in the fall of 1736, and was taken on trial the next spring, and licensed, August 30, 1738. He was sent to Deer Creek (now Churchville, Maryland) and to West Conecocheague. He spent the summer in those places, and Conewago and Opequhon. West Conecocheague called him in the fall of 1739; but he declined a settlement in that charge.

In 1737, the new-settled inhabitants of Beverly’s Manor applied for supplies; and Anderson visited them, and settled the bounds of the congregations “in an orderly manner, by the voice of the people.” Craig was sent, at the close of 1739, to Opequhon, Irish Tract, and other places in Western Virginia. He was “the commencer of the Presbyterian service in Augusta.” He gathered two congregations in the south part of the Manor, now Augusta county, and, in April, 1740, received a call from Shanadore and South River. It is described in the call as the congregation of the Triple Forks of Shenandoah, but long since known as Augusta and Tinkling Spring. On the 2d of September, 1740, Robert Poag and Daniel Denniston appeared as representatives, and took on them the engagements made by the people at installations. On the next day, after Sanckey had preached from Jer. iii. 15, Craig was ordained and installed.

“Going down from the splendid prospect of the Rockfish Gap, you enter the bounds of the oldest congregation in Virginia, Tinkling Spring, with its old stone church. Here, in a wooden building finished by the widow of John Preston, Craig preached. He was greatly opposed to the location of the meeting, wishing it more central.” The people chose it, among other reasons, for the convenience of the spring; and, it is said, “he never suffered its water to cool his thirst.”

He resigned the pastoral care of Tinkling Spring in November, 1754; and the sermon which he preached on that occasion, from 2 Sam. xxiii. 5, is the only one of his discourses that can be found. It was printed, for the first time, in the “Baltimore Literary and Religious Magazine,” in December, 1760.

“In this short discourse,” he says,

“I have collected together the sum and substance of those doctrines I have declared to you these twenty-five years past. . . . .

“I have long, often, and sincerely exhorted, entreated, invited, and besought you, in public, in private, in secret, to come and take hold of God’s covenant and Christ the Mediator thereof. I hope some among you have sincerely complied: I wish I could say all that I have been so nearly concerned for or related to. But now our near and dear pastoral relation is dissolved. And, oh, how does my heart tremble to think and fear that too, too many among you have not sincerely accepted of and embraced Christ on gospel terms! Oh, how can I leave you at a distance from Christ, and strangers to the God that made you? I cannot leave you till I give you another offer of Christ and the covenant of grace. Let me beg of you, for your souls’ sake, for Christ’s sake, to leave all your sins, and come, come speedily, and lay hold on the covenant and the Mediator; never, never let him go till he bless you.

“Few and poor, and without order, were you when I accepted your call; but now I leave you a numerous, wealthy congregation, able to support the gospel, and of credit and reputation in the church.

“For coming into the bond of this covenant of grace; it is by faith we take hold of it. This we do when we are thoroughly, clearly convinced of our sin, and misery, and undone state under the covenant of works; and do hence betake ourselves to the new covenant, to the gracious method of salvation proposed to us in the gospel through Jesus Christ and his righteousness, and do cordially approve of, and acquiesce in this noble contrivance, and accept of Jesus Christ as our only Mediator, Surety, and Peacemaker with God, and in him do sincerely make choice of God—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit—to be our God and portion. On our part, giving ourselves soul and body to be the Lord’s; engaging, in the strength of our great surety, Jesus Christ, to abandon all sin, live for his glory, and walk with him in newness of life, as becomes God’s covenanted people. This great work is carried on in all its parts by God’s Holy Spirit, helping and determining our souls to do all these things heartily, cheerfully, and sincerely.”

In parting, he makes no complaints of them, and no boasting of himself.

He remained as pastor over the smaller charge or congregation of Augusta till his death, April 21, 1774, dying “after fifteen hours’ affliction,” at the age of sixty-three years and four months.

“The old people in Augusta county have learned from their fathers that he was a man mighty in the Scriptures,—‘in perils oft, in labours abundant,’ for the gospel; and they hold his memory in the highest veneration.”

An anecdote is told of his having been sent by Hanover Presbytery to organize churches and ordain elders, among the settlements of New River to Holstein. On his return he reported a surprising number of elders whom he had ordained; and on being questioned how he found suitable materials for so many, he replied, in his rich Scottish brogue, “Where I cudna get hewn stanes, I tuk dornacks.” [a dornack is a small unhewn stone normally rejected by builders]

Words to Live By:
“The saying is trustworthy:If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. “Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober- minded, self- controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
“not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.
“He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive,“for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God’s church? “He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil.
“Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace, into a snare of the devil.”
1 Timothy 3:1-7, ESVhttp://www.logos.com/images/Corporate/LibronixLink_dark.png.

30 August 2014 A.D. Apostolos Euangelou Vacalopolos, Greeks & Ottomans: Quotations on Islam from Notable Non-Muslims


30 August 2014 A.D.  Apostolos Euangelou Vacalopolos,  Greeks & Ottomans:  Quotations on Islam from Notable Non-Muslims

For 88 more quotes from other leaders regarding Islamo-Dominionism & Theocratic Reconstructionism, see:  http://reformationanglicanism.blogspot.com/2014/08/25-august-2014-ad-quotations-on-islam_25.html

Apostolos Euangelou Vacalopoulos


“The Revolution of 1821 is no more than the last great phase of the resistance of the Greeks to Ottoman domination; it was a relentless, undeclared war, which had begun already in the first years of servitude. The brutality of an autocratic regime, which was characterized by economic spoliation, intellectual decay and cultural retrogression, was sure to provoke opposition. Restrictions of all kinds, unlawful taxation, forced labor, persecutions, violence, imprisonment, death, abductions of girls and boys and their confinement to Turkish harems, and various deeds of wantonness and lust, along with numerous less offensive excesses – all these were a constant challenge to the instinct of survival and they defied every sense of human decency. The Greeks bitterly resented all insults and humiliations, and their anguish and frustration pushed them into the arms of rebellion. There was no exaggeration in the statement made by one of the beys if Arta, when he sought to explain the ferocity of the struggle. He said: ‘We have wronged the rayas [dhimmis] (i.e. our Christian subjects) and destroyed both their wealth and honor; they became desperate and took up arms. This is just the beginning and will finally lead to the destruction of our empire.’ The sufferings of the Greeks under Ottoman rule were therefore the basic cause of the insurrection; a psychological incentive was provided by the very nature of the circumstances[14]

 

At the beginning of the eleventh century, the Seljuk Turks forced their way into Armenia and there crushed the armies of several petty Armenian states. No fewer than forty thousand souls fled before the organized pillage of the Seljuk host to the western part of Asia Minor. From the middle of the eleventh century, and especially after the battle of Malazgirt [Manzikurt] (1071), the Seljuks spread throughout the whole Asia Minor peninsula, leaving error, panic and destruction in their wake. Byzantine, Turkish and other contemporary sources are unanimous in their agreement on the extent of havoc wrought an the protracted anguish of the local population…[The Greek chronicler] Kydones described the fate of the Christian peoples of Asia Minor thus:

 

‘The entire region which sustained us, from the Hellespont eastwards to the mountains of Armenia, has been snatched away. They [the Turks] have razed cities, pillaged churches, opened graves, and filled everything with blood and corpses…Alas, too, they have even abused Christian bodies. And having taken away their entire wealth they have now taken away their freedom, reducing them to the merest shadows of slaves. And with such dregs of energy as remain in these unfortunate people, they are forced to be the servitors of the Turk’s personal comforts.’

 

“From the time the Ottoman Turks first set foot in Thrace under Suleiman, son of Orchan, the Empire rapidly disintegrated….From the very beginning of the Turkish onslaught under Suleiman, the Turks tried to consolidate their position by the forcible imposition of Islam. [The Ottoman historian] Sukrullah [maintained] those who refused to accept the Moslem faith were slaughtered and their families enslaved. ‘Where there were bells’, writes the same author, ‘Suleiman broke them up and cast them onto fires. Where there are churches he destroyed them or converted them into mosques. Thus, in place of bells there were now muezzins. Wherever Christian infidels were still found, vassalage was imposed upon their rulers. At least in public they could no longer say ‘kyrie eleison’ but rather “There is no God but Allah; and where once their prayers had been addressed to Christ, they were now to ‘Mohammed, the prophet of Allah.’[15]

For 88 more quotes from other leaders regarding Islamo-Dominionism & Theocratic Reconstructionism, see:  http://reformationanglicanism.blogspot.com/2014/08/25-august-2014-ad-quotations-on-islam_25.html

For illustrative quotes on Islam from Barack Hussein Obama:

#1 “The future must not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam”

#2 “The sweetest sound I know is the Muslim call to prayer”





#3 “We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over the centuries to shape the world — including in my own country.”

#4 “As a student of history, I also know civilization’s debt to Islam.”

#5 “Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance.

#6 “Islam has always been part of America”

#7 “we will encourage more Americans to study in Muslim communities

For the rest of Obama’s 40 theological quotes and scholarship, see the URL.
http://reformationanglicanism.blogspot.com/2014/08/40-theological-quotes-from-barack.html

30 August 1743 A.D. William Paley Baptized: Church of England Cleric & Apologist (of sorts)


30 August 1743 A.D.  William Paley Baptized:  Church of England Cleric & Apologist (of sorts)

Graves, Dan. “William Paley’s Popular Apology.” Christianity.com.   Apr 2007.  http://www.christianity.com/church/church-history/timeline/1701-1800/william-paleys-popular-apology-11630244.html.  Accessed 19 Mary 2014.

William Paley's Popular ApologyThe first authoritative date we have for the life of Paley is this day, August 30, 1743. Then, a little more than a month old, he was baptized. A clumsy youth, he turned to study. His father thought that the boy had the clearest head he had ever seen. Although Paley was sufficiently good at mathematics to become first wrangler of his school (that is, he placed highest in the math exams), he became a clergyman. Following the famous John Locke's lead, Paley wrote popular apologetics for Christianity. So well-organized were his works that they became standard textbooks.

View of the Evidences of Christianity was an immediate hit and so was its successor Natural Theology. In Natural Theology he included his famous "watchmaker" argument. If a savage were to find a watch in the middle of the jungle, he would at once suppose it the work of an intelligent being. Nature is far more complex and elaborate than a watch and therefore also requires a designer. View of the Evidences of Christianity argues for the credibility of biblical miracles.

Skeptics over the years attacked Paley's watchmaker argument on philosophical grounds. However, in 2005, researcher Jimin Wang reported detail which appears to be direct evidence of Paley's Watchmaker. Certain cyanobacteria have a "circadian oscillation" which is regulated by a rotary device, composed of proteins, that literally functions as a clock.

Apart from the watchmaker argument, none of Paley's works were highly original. He freely admitted he borrowed whatever he could use from others; to some extent, all theologians must, the field has been so well covered. However, Paley's ideas in a third book Principles of Moral and Political Philosophy anticipated thinkers who came after. "The general consequence of any action may be estimated by asking what would be the consequence if the same actions were generally permitted." This sounds like Kant. Bentham devised his utilitarian ethic after reading Paley's comment that "we should carry out those actions which promote the general happiness and avoid those which diminish it."

Paley was an odd duck. Physically uncoordinated, he once fell off a horse seven times in a single ride to town. He was constantly laughed at (and laughed at himself) because of his absent-mindedness. When he walked it was with weird gesticulations and the tip of his cane in his mouth! Yet he enjoyed people and would draw them out for what they knew. He was a devoted father. And his work was the fitting culmination of a century and a half of natural apologetics which began with John Locke.

Bibliography:

1.      Eerdman's Handbook to the History of Christianity. Editor Tim Dowley. Berkhamsted, Herts, England: Lion Publishing, 1977.

2.      Guillen, Michael. Bridges to Infinity. Los Angeles, Tarcher, 1983. p.122.

3.      Jimin Wang, "Recent Cyanobacterial Kai Protein Structures Suggest a Rotary Clock," Structure 13 (2005): 735-41.

4.      Kunitz, Stanley L. British Authors Before 1800; a biographical dictionary. New York: H. W. Wilson, 1952.

5.      Paley, William. Moral and Political Philosophy. New York, S. King, 1824.

6.      "Paley, William." Dictionary of National Biography. Edited by Leslie Stephen and Sidney Lee. London: Oxford University Press, 1921-1996.

7.      "Paley, William." Edwards, Paul, editor. The Encyclopedia of Philosophy. New York, Macmillan, 1967.

8.      Sampson, George. Concise Cambridge History of English Literature.Cambridge, 1961.

Last updated April, 2007.

30 August 832 A.D. Feologild Died—16th of 105 Archbishops


30 August 832 A.D.  Feologild Died—16th of 105 Archbishops

Bevans,  G. M. “Feologild (Died AD 832).”  Brittania.com.  N.d. http://www.britannia.com/bios/abofc/feologild.html.  Accessed 7 May 2014.

Bevans,  Portraits of the Archbishops of Canterbury. Toronto, ONT:  University of Toronto Libraries, 2011. Available here: http://www.amazon.com/Portraits-Archbishops-Canterbury-Gladys-Bevan/dp/B005HI57FS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1399493248&sr=8-1&keywords=bevans+portraits+of+archbishops+of+canterbury

Feologild
(Died AD 832)
Archbishop of Canterbury
Died: 30th August AD 832

Feologild was Abbot of a Kentish Monastery and was elected to the Archbishopric in AD 832, but died within three months of his consecration. He appears to have had a rival to the Archiepiscopate in the person of one Suithred.

Edited from G.M. Bevan's "Portraits of the Archbishops of Canterbury" (1908).

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Contra Mundum: Does God Will The Salvation Of All Men? (Part 2): Remember from our last post that Augustine appealed to God's omnipotence to defend his doctrine of Reprobation. All would be saved if G...

Friday, August 29, 2014

SGM-Mahaneygate: Continuing Disorders & Palace Intriques


Detwiler, Brent. “The Coverup of Buckley’s Cover-up of Mahaney is Underway.”  BrentDetwiler.com  19 Aug 2014. http://www.brentdetwiler.com/brentdetwilercom/the-cover-up-of-buckleys-cover-up-of-mahaney-is-underway.html.  Accessed 28 Aug 2014.


The Cover-up of Buckley’s Cover-up of Mahaney Is Underway


Tuesday, August 19, 2014 at 5:02PM

I recently wrote two blog posts regarding Paul Buckley, Chairman of the Board for Sovereign Grace Ministries.  



As a result of these disclosures, I wrote a post to all the leaders in SGM. 


This post is a follow-up based on a letter I received from Dan Roca.

From: Dan Roca
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 8:17 AM
To: Brent Detwiler
Subject: Re: An Open Letter to the Leaders & Pastors of SGM Regarding Their Cowardice & Corruption

Hi Brent,

You don’t know me and I don’t really know you that well.  I don’t have personal knowledge of a lot of this stuff, but I would appreciate that you not slander my friend Paul Buckley.  He is a friend of mine and I know for a “fact” that what you have accused him of is utterly false.  I therefore will not listen to anything else you have to say and I would call you to cease from your slander and gossip.

If you would like to meet personally with me or my pastoral team or with any of the leadership of Sovereign Grace Churches, we would be happy to.  So far you have refused to meet, even when a number of individuals went to your house or called you.  Your site is full of gossip and it is clear that you are not walking with the Lord in this, not seeking anyone’s good, but only to destroy something beautiful that God has made.

Dan Roca is a pastor along with Bauer Evans and Dave Magoon at Crossway Church in Franklin, Massachusetts which is southwest of Boston.  It is one of two SGM churches in MA.  The other church is King of Grace Church where Paul Buckley is the lead pastor.  That church is located north of Boston in Haverhill. 

Roca claims I slandered his friend Buckley in the posts referenced above.  He emphatically states that he knows “for a fact” that what I “accused him of is utterly false.”  Therefore, he won’t listen to anything else I have to say because it is gossip and slander.  He goes on to say I am an apostate whose only goal is “to destroy something beautiful (i.e., SGM) that God has made.”  I am “not seeking anyone’s good.” 

This is par for the course.  These attacks on my character and the veracity of my writings by the leaders and pastors of SGM have continued since I sent out The Documents in July 2011.  He also says I “have refused to meet” with SGM leaders but states that he, his fellow pastors and the leadership of Sovereign Grace Churches “would be happy to” meet with me.  

What follows is our email exchange.  It is so helpful because it is so revealing!  Roca is the norm, not the exception, among SGM pastors.  I’ve received many letters like this one from SGM pastors.  These pastors have been misled by the SGM leaders over them.  In turn, they mislead the people in their churches.  It is a perpetual cycle of evil that has only worsened. 

Here’s my initial response to Roca.  I also sent it to his fellow pastors, Bauer Evans and Dave Magoon.

From: Brent Detwiler
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 11:42 AM
To: Bauer Evans; Dave Magoon; Dan Roca
Subject: RE: An Open Letter to the Leaders & Pastors of SGM Regarding Their Cowardice & Corruption 

Dan, 

You are correct, you “don’t have personal knowledge of a lot of this stuff.”  I would love to meet with “the leadership of Sovereign Grace Churches”!  Set it up.  I have not “refused to meet.”  Just the opposite.  I have begged to meet.  And it is not at all true that “a number of individuals went to your house or called you.”  One person came to my house, Mickey Connolly, and proposed a corrupt process that violated all the promises made to me about a just hearing of my charges.  I confronted him for his deceit.  As a matter of conscience, I turned it down.  Later, I changed my mind and agreed to meet under most any circumstances.  I’ve repeatedly appealed to meet and I’ve repeatedly been turned down.  In fact, no one has ever responded to my ongoing appeals to meet.  That is the truth and Paul [Buckley] knows it. 

On your next point, no one ever called me.  Not once!  You don’t realize it but these are the kind of lies Paul and others have used to deceive you.  You are following them like a member of a cult.  This email from you is just one more piece of evidence.  Paul is blatantly lying to you if he told you, “So far you have refused to meet, even when a number of individuals went to your house or called you.”  If you are interested in the truth, read the following for starters.  

The Right of Tyrants (Oct 13, 2011)


It’s Been a Good Week (Aug 14, 2013)

You are the one who “is full of gossip.”   You have no idea what you are talking about because you have not studied the carefully documented evidence.  Furthermore, I have destroyed nothing but the One who is Holy has brought you low.  It is Christ who has opposed SGM because he hates the lying, deceit, hypocrisy, cowardice, abuse and selfish ambition that has characterized your leaders.  People like you blame me but that is foolhardy.  If you had discernment, you’d be calling your leaders to account.  Only when they repent will the hand of God’s opposition lift. 

Yesterday, Aron Osborne, recommended Metro Life Church leave SGM.  It will be official in a few weeks.  Things will also worsen for SGM on other fronts.  For example, the criminal conspiracy to cover up sex abuse is real and Paul has done nothing but disparage the victims and fight against the lawsuit.  He should have removed C.J. from ministry long ago!  Instead, he has covered up for him.   

Dan, the discipline of God has filled every nook and cranny of SGM and yet you continue to justify yourself in self-righteousness.  If the emails below are authentic (and they are), then what I have said about Paul is true, not false.  Did you even read “Paul Buckley, Chairman of the SGM Board & Other Top Level Leaders Secretly Plotted C.J. Mahaney’s Removal as President”? 

Please go through this blog post and report back to me with the evidence that shows what I have written is “utterly false.”

From: Paul Buckley
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 12:18 PM
To: office@kingofgrace.org
Subject: CONFIDENTIAL

Guys, 

Thanks for taking time to talk with me this week. 

As is probably your assumption, I wanted to appeal that our discussions of CJ’s possible resignation be kept extremely and completely confidential. 

In my opinion it will be best for everyone, if CJ agrees, that he be the initiator in this and not the board or anyone else.  If our discussion falls into the wrong hands it could be twisted and used for great harm. 

It seems that this idea is gaining some key traction. 

Let me know if you have any questions. 

From: Paul Buckley
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 11:08 AM
To: Dave Harvey
Subject: Confidential 

Dave,

Any update on where CJ is regarding remaining president?

Paul

From: Dave Harvey
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 11:26 AM
To: Paul Buckley
Subject: RE: Confidential 

No.  But we had our meeting with me, John [Loftness], Mickey [Connolly], Jeff [Purswell] and CJ this past week.  It went well from the standpoint of me putting forward my thoughts and them raising their perspective, questions and concerns.  Emails are flying right now and I’m also flying to Louisville on Thursday to meet with CJ.  So, we are engaged.  But I wasn’t able to get all the way to the presidency question because I’m needing to answer the questions and concerns about my perspective in other areas first while trying to use the opportunity to establish my position on certain things for them.

When do you talk to Pete [Greasley]?

From: Paul Buckley
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 12:31 PM
To: Dave Harvey
Subject: RE: Confidential

I talked to him [Pete Greasley] this morning.  It was a good conversation and very helpful.

I asked him to press his call for CJ’s resignation/repositioning to the board.

Thoughts?

And again, set up a meeting with the Executive Committee, Leadership Team and Council of Elders!!!  I am glad to make my case in Nashville, TN in October during the Council of Elders Meeting and Pastors Conference.  And they are welcome to make their case against me.

Dan, your response to me is a perfect example of what is wrong in SGM.  I pray the Lord kindly opens your eyes and leads you to repentance so you can help others do the same. 

Brent

Dan begins to bail water at this point.  

From: Dan Roca
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 12:55 PM
To: Brent Detwiler
Subject: Re: An Open Letter to the Leaders & Pastors of SGM Regarding Their Cowardice & Corruption 

Come up to Massachusetts and I will certainly meet with you if you’re really serious.  I’m fairly certain I could convince the other pastors of my church to meet with you as well.

I asked Dan to “set up a meeting with the Executive Committee, [SGM] Leadership Team and [national] Council of Elders” in Nashville because he said in his initial email, “If you would like to meet personally with me or my pastoral team or with any of the leadership of Sovereign Grace Churches, we would be happy to.”  He claimed to be speaking on behalf of Bauer Evans and Dave Magoon and the leadership of SG churches.  In reality, he did not have anyone’s support in making the bogus offer.  Now he says, “I’m fairly certain I could convince the other pastors of my church to meet with you as well.”  He leaves out any reference to SGM leadership.

Instead he says, “Come up to Massachusetts and I will certainly meet with you if you’re “really serious.”  I live near Charlotte, North Carolina.  It is a 13 hour non-stop drive to Franklin, Massachusetts.  If I make the long trip and I’m “really serious” Dan will meet with me.  I love southern hospitality.  This is northern hospitality. 

From: Brent Detwiler
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 1:49 PM
To: Dan Roca
Cc: Bauer Evans; Dave Magoon
Subject: RE: An Open Letter to the Leaders & Pastors of SGM Regarding Their Cowardice & Corruption

I am glad to meet with the leadership of SGM.  Meeting with you accomplishes nothing.  Talk to Bauer and Dave and ask them to help you set up a meeting in Nashville.  That’s what needs to happen because there has never been a just or open hearing of the evidence.  The Three Panel Review was utterly corrupt.     

If you want to interact via email or by phone that is fine.  I’m glad to help you on one condition.  You must read and study the evidence I have already put in print.  It is a waste of time to interact unless you are willing to do so.  Once you are informed, we can converse.  Start with Response Regarding Friendship & Doctrine, A Final Appeal, Concluding Remarks and The Untold Story.  Those are the original documents.  They lay a foundation.  When complete, let’s talk about them. 

I’m also willing to interact regarding the material below concerning Paul and your accusations against me; but first you must study what I have written and provide a written response that proves with supporting evidence that it is “utterly false.” 

My goal has always been to meet in a just setting where I could present my allegations against C.J. Mahaney and SGM.  That objective has always been denied me and to that end, meeting with Dan in person “accomplishes nothing.”  Nevertheless, I was glad to interact with him by email or by phone if he was willing to examine the evidence and show how my charge against Buckley that he covered up attempts to remove Mahaney as President was “utterly false.”  There was no response.  

From: Brent Detwiler
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 12:06 PM
To: Dan Roca
Subject: Getting Back to Me? 

I haven’t heard back from you.  Are you interested in interacting over the evidence?  Are you going to try and set up a meeting in October in Nashville or any other time or place for that matter?  

Honestly, Dan’s unwillingness to respond and engage me came as no surprise.  It was predictable.  SGM leaders and pastors don’t respond when I call them to account, supply evidence, and ask them to interact.  

Having been put on the spot, his next response was also typical and predictable. 

From: Dan Roca [mailto:dan@crosswayma.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 12:18 PM
To: Brent Detwiler
Subject: Re: Getting Back to Me? 

I have since come to find out that you have met with a number of pastors, so even your claims about how no one is willing to meet is false.

I’m not interested in gossip. But if you are willing to repent for your actions, I would consider trying to set up a meeting with more elders than just my local church.

The hypocrisy of SGM leaders and pastors never ceases to amaze me.  He confronts me with an unsubstantiated charge based on faulty information he was provided in the last 24 hours and effectively calls me a liar.  He goes on to say he is unwilling to discuss the evidence which he again calls “gossip.”  Finally, he refuses to meet unless I am first “willing to repent” for my “actions.”  There is so much to learn from Dan’s response.  This illustration perfectly exemplifies the abusive leadership culture in SGM. 

From: Brent Detwiler
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 5:30 PM
To: Dan Roca
Subject: RE: Getting Back to Me?

You are making another false accusation for which you furnish no proof because you have no proof.  What pastors did I meet with?  When did I meet with them?  Don’t bring an accusation against me unless you are willing to tell me who and when those meetings occurred.  I’ll get on the phone right now with you and whoever is telling you these lies.  Let’s set up a conference call.  Include Paul Buckley.  Here’s my number. …  I’m serious. 

But here’s what I’ve experienced time after time after time.  No one will talk to me or meet with me or provide a shred of evidence against me.  Why?  Because they don’t have anything to back up their malicious slander.  That is exactly what you are doing!  It is cowardice and corruption of the highest order to not engage me or present me with any proof! 

I participated in one of the three Panel Reviews in December 2011.  That is the only time I met with anyone and it turned out to be the worse experience of my life.  It was a premeditated ambush led by Mark Prater.  The panel never intended to deal with any of my charges.  

I’ve already provided you the links with the evidence but obviously you have no interest in the evidence which once again you label “gossip.”  Moreover, I asked to participate in the other two Panel Reviews but was forbidden.  This was part of the plan to make sure I was not heard.  All this is indisputable.  See also “Promises Were Meant to be Broken” and “All Is Lost!” 

Dan, you must back up your charges.  Where is your evidence that I met “with a number of pastors.”  There is none.  Who is lying to you?  Who is deceiving you?  Your charge is outrageous. 

Whenever I bring a charge against anyone, I always provide the evidence like I did with Paul’s cover up of his attempt to remove C.J. as the President.  Not you.  You are being a hypocrite.  You accuse me of gossip even though I provide overwhelming evidence you won’t read.  On the other hand, you believe gossip against me for which you have no proof.  That is cultic.  That is corrupt.  That is cowardly.

Let me be clear.  I have NEVER met with a number of pastors.  Prove me wrong.  Give me their names.  Tell me when we met.  If you are correct, and I am lying as you charge, that is very easy information to provide.  Guess what?  It will never happen because such meetings never happened.  You have been completely deceived by Paul and others who furnish you with no proof.  They can’t provide anything in support of their false accusations.

I am glad to hear evidence against me if you think it exists.  For example, where have I been “utterly false” in my charges against Paul.  You don’t even venture an attempt to prove my falsity after such a remarkable statement. 

You are afraid of the light because it will expose your darkness.  You won’t even read The Documents or the links to evidentiary facts.  That’s nothing new!  SGM has been on the run for a long time.  You are carrying on its ungodly abuse!  You and those around you are the false witnesses not me.

In your first email you said, “If you would like to meet personally with me or my pastoral team or with any of the leadership of Sovereign Grace Churches, we would be happy to.”  Now you say, “I’m not interested in gossip.  But if you are willing to repent for your actions, I would consider trying to set up a meeting with more elders than just my local church.”  Why the change?  Here’s why.  Confronted with the reality of the evidence you must avoid meeting with me.  Therefore, you lay down a one sided, heavy-handed condtion.  I must first repent for my actions rather than repent after we meet and you prove your charges.    

This is so typical of SGM.  You won’t meet to hear my evidence against Paul and SGM.  You won’t meet and let me defend against your accusations.  You will only meet if I repent.  You see no need for repentance and have no interest in repentance.  That says it all.  Such is the arrogance and self-righteousness of SGM. 

Dan, your correspondence is a gift from God.  It demonstrates ever so clearly the abusive practices of SGM leaders and pastors.  When confronted with overwhelming evidence against Paul and SGM, you respond in this cowardly and unaccountable fashion.  You have no interest in the truth.  SGM has changed but only for the worse.  The little that is left is held together by lies and lording.  Such is a vain attempt against Jesus Christ, Lord of the Earth and Head of the Church.

Here’s is Dan’s response. 

From: Dan Roca [mailto:dan@crosswayma.org]
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 5:48 PM
To: Brent Detwiler
Subject: Re: Getting Back to Me?

> You won’t meet to hear my evidence against Paul and SGM.  You won’t meet and let me defend against your accusations. ~Brent Detwiler

> I am glad to meet with the leadership of SGM.  Meeting with you accomplishes nothing. ~Brent Detwiler

The offer still stands for meeting with me personally and possibly the other pastors in my church.  But as I have shown above by your quotes, you don’t want to.

-Dan

Here's my final response. 

From: Brent Detwiler
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 5:47 PM
To: Dan Roca
Subject: Re: Getting Back to Me?

You have sorely twisted my words and taken them out of context.  The way you attempt to use these quotes against me is utterly illogical and irrational.  They prove nothing except that you are treacherous. 

As I plainly said, I am glad to interact with you via email and/or over the phone though this accomplishes nothing in terms of presenting my charges to the leadership of SGM which you said they were happy to do.  I also said I was glad to have a conference call with you, Bauer, Dave and Paul.  I asked you to set it up.  You totally ignored my request.

I also placed two conditions upon our interaction.  One, you study the evidence I referenced.  Two, you show where my charge against Paul was “utterly false.”  These were both reasonable preconditions.  You refused to fulfill either.  Instead you laid down a condition for interacting or meeting with a larger group.

“But if you are willing to repent for your actions, I would consider trying to set up a meeting with more elders than just my local church.”

That says it all!  You’ll consider setting up a meeting with leaders from SGM if I first repent for my actions including the irrefutable charge that Paul Buckley secretly plotted to remove C.J. as President and then covered it up. 

Dan, you obviously have no interest in a just meeting where well documented charges can be brought against Paul, C.J. or other leaders in SGM.   Let me say it again.  “That is cultic.  That is corrupt.  That is cowardly.”  But that is nothing new!  You are carrying on the sinful tradition of SGM.  The cover-up of Buckley’s cover-up of Mahaney is underway.

Postscript

These are the Board Members that lied when they publicly stated in June 2012 and August 2012 that they were all united in C.J. Mahaney continuing and remaining as the President of SGM. They also reiterated this claim to all the SGM pastors in March 2013.  That was far from the truth.  In fact, Paul Buckley was pressing for Mahaney’s removal.  

1.      Paul Buckley

2.      John Loftness

3.      Ron Boomsma

4.      Craig Cabaniss

5.      Mickey Connolly

6.      Ian McConnell

7.      Ken Mellinger

8.      Al Pino

9.      Phil Sasser

Buckley, Connolly, and Mellinger should be removed from the SGM Executive Committee.  Connolly should also be removed as a SGM Regional Leader.  Cabaniss, McConnell, and Sasser should be removed from the SGM Leadership Team.  Boomsma resigned.  Pino left SGM.

But guess what?  SGM pastors won’t press charges against these SGM Leaders.  There will be no investigations.  No report on findings.  And no consequences for lying.  It will be covered up just like everything else in SGM.  Mark Prater, the Executive Director, will pretend like it never happened.  The conspiracy to cover up the actual dynamics surrounding Mahaney’s Presidency is just another disillusioning illustration of the pervasive duplicity that ensnares SGM leaders and pastors. 

Let me close.  I also received a letter from a Sovereign Grace church member in another country that was encouraging.  He was asking good questions and making good points about the deceit he’s observed.  I wasn’t able to fully understand all he was writing because English was his second language.  I’m not sure he could follow all I was writing either so I tried to simplify my main points in these three sentences.  

The SGM leaders lie to the SGM pastors.  The pastors believe their lies and refuse to read my evidence.  The SGM pastors pass on those lies to people in the churches. The SGM leaders don’t want to be honest because they will lose their jobs and their money. 

He really didn’t need my assistance.  My Spanish speaking friend had already come to the same conclusions based upon his own research, interactions and observations.  I may have him contact Dan Roca for an international perspective!